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Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:39:02 AM #18113 Perm Link

I made a new partition last night and installed it. still missing some drivers, but installs easy and looks great. There is one thing about it though, and that is the fact that it looks exactly like a KDE interface. It's more like "I can't believe it's not linux" than a new windows OS. Anyone else running it?

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Re: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:01:54 AM #18114 Perm Link

In response to Thefremen #18113

I have to admit that it looks more like an Apple interface than KDE.

KDE is getting better at usability, but it isn't there yet.

Vista looks too different and is too complicated for most people to use.

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Re: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:05:27 AM #18115 Perm Link

In response to Thefremen #18113

I've seen it. It's all smoke and mirrors. I bet people will complain about how hard the interface is to use. Microsoft can't even get their own widgets the same.

Office, Windows, and IE all have different widgets.

-SHCase

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Re[2]: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:07:18 PM #18118 Perm Link

In response to Aron Schatz #18114

Well, Aron I've never used a mac to be honest...But anyhow, I think it looks good for people who've used windows for years and are techies, people used to using windows xp will very very scared. especially when the OS asks permission to do everything.

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:05:01 PM #18162 Perm Link

It is totally Mac-like. In fact, I'm going to get a Mac for my next computer.

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Re: Vista Beta 2

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:56:52 PM #18165 Perm Link

In response to Thefremen #18113

Just installed it last night, I'm reserving final judgement until I've used it a bit more. I had an issue initially finding a working 64 bit RAID driver for my SATA controller, but once that was resolved the install was near flawless. All of my hardware was detcted from the get go which shocked me. The only hardware I have had a problem with is my Harmony remote, the software doesn't seem to want to install. The interface looks nice, Those security warning popup's get a little annoying while playing with settings and installing software, but I guess it is a necessary evil. The new start menu is actually very well thought out and should make finding stuff a lot easier once I get more apps and junk installed. I really expected the new GUI to be slow and cumbersome, but it is actually nice and zippy. Going to have to to install some games on it tonight and see what I can break.

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Re[2]: Vista Beta 2

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:43:10 PM #18169 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18165

Let us know how it goes.

I want to get a Mac myself.

-SHCase

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Re[2]: Vista Beta 2

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:55:03 PM #18202 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18165

What is the status on the gaming?

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Re[3]: Vista Beta 2

Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:15:41 PM #18204 Perm Link

In response to NTSCrZhao #18202

Same as XP for now, but with DX10 it's supposed to be REALLY freaking sweet.

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Re[3]: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:36:28 AM #18209 Perm Link

In response to NTSCrZhao #18202

Got World of Warcraft up and running. Only issue I ran into there was i had to "Run as Administrator" to get patchs to apply. Seems logical though, the patcher downloads an executable, then attempts to shutdown WoW and run it, I would guess in general it isnt a bad idea to prevent most app's from doing this. Batelfield 2 install went off normally. EA includes a little warning popup in the installer that the game has only been tested in 32 bit enviroments. Game play is normal, no problems. Vista also seems to lag a bit less tabbing out full screen games than XP did.
I downloaded new software fr my Harmony remote, that works, but is not compatable with Aero, Vista automatically shuts off all the "pretty-ness" when I run it to update my remote and automatically goes back to normal when it closes. So it would appear Vista is aware of and gracefully handles incompatability with the new interface.
When running installers that fail because of lack of administrative rights Vista closes it pops you up a message that the installer appears to have failed and to click continue to rerun the installer, then automatically restarts with administrative rights. I have played this dance several times with Nero 7 with no luck though. Not suprisingly Vista refused to install any antivirus software I had. It does point you to a beta of Trend micro internet security which seems to work nicely.

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Re[4]: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:55:42 AM #18210 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18209

Well, I'm sure Windows OneCare will run fine Smile

Smile

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Re[5]: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:23:51 PM #18211 Perm Link

In response to Aron Schatz #18210

Suprisingly the security center didn't offer it. That was where I expected to be going when I clicked on the "Let's find one for you" link. It does automatically install the Windows Defending software and Windows Update automatically installs updates for it. Windows update is also now local software, no more clicking through the web site.

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Annoyances cleaning up my hard drive...

Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:41:55 PM #18212 Perm Link

I have found the secuirty warnings reallllly annoying while trying to clean up my hard drive.

Vista quite nicely grabbed my old Windows folder, Documents and Settings folder, and Program Files folder and put them in a folder called Windows.old. The Documents and Settings folder is now replaced by a "Users" folder and there are two program files folders (on the 64Bit version anyway) one for 64bit software and a "Programs File (x86) for 32 bit software

I was working on cleaning up, deleting things I didn't need and moving files and organizing what I wanted to keep on that machine. Every step of the way deleting a folder moving a folder, etc was a secuirty warning.

Then I ran into my first real bug. When emptying the recycle bin or forcing a real delete on large amounts of files I have been having wierd problems.
"The folowing FOLDER <insert FILE name here> does not exist, would you like to create it?"
After a while the emptying recycle bin windows closes and a bunch of files are still not deleted. If I repeat the empty or delete one or two more times they eventually all delete, but it is pretty bizarre.

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Re[6]: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:13:17 PM #18216 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18211

So they finally got the crappy IE only thing taken care of? I heard that IE7 won't be built into the OS like previous IEs were.

-SHCase

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Re: Annoyances cleaning up my hard drive...

Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:31:23 PM #18223 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18212

That's very interesting to hear.

I'm glad that Windows Update is a program instead of an ActiveX control.

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Re[7]: Vista Beta 2

Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:34:49 PM #18228 Perm Link

In response to SHCaseRtoZ #18216

Acutally not built INTO the OS is a good term for it. In XP IE and Windows explorer where one and the same. You logged in as an Administrator, you ran IE, IE ran as a process wth Administrative rights and all the power to really F($*K things up.
IE7+ on Vista runs in a protected mode. It has rights to nothing reguardless of the secuirty level of the user that launched it. It can write to 4 folders in the Temporary Internet Files folder. It can no longer talk direclty to or act as your operating system. Type in C:\ to IE6 and you get a familiar looking explorer window. Type it into IE7 and the secuirty broker kicks in warns you that Windows Explorer wants to launch and that it is outside of IE's protected mode. If you allow it, the broker executable launches Windows Explorer. Same with saving a file, or runnnig any sort of external software, the security broker touches your OS with privliges you grant it, not IE.
Also any plug-ins, BHO's, and controls run by IE run in protected mode. The browser virtualizes common registry keys and hard drive locations and will only read and write data to the virtual copies, also stored in the TIF Folder.
Vista also treats the TIF folder as if it is inherantly dangerous. I couldn't even get Windows Explorer to browse to it with hidden and system files set to view. If you manually type in the location it admits it is there and will let you browse it, but if you attempt to open a file from there you get a warning that running a system command on this file is unsafe.
Alot of good concepts for secuirty here. Time will tell if it is enough

Edited at Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:45:42 AM

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Re[8]: Vista Beta 2

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:28:52 AM #18240 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18228

I think you mean it is about time that Microsoft did that.

It was a mistake from the start to tie the browser into the OS.

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Re[8]: Vista Beta 2

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:01:14 PM #18258 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18228

It is about time. Security is not the strong suit of Microsoft.

-SHCase

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Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:17:12 PM #18279 Perm Link

never tried it, but I imagine it to be quite slow... I ran KDE with Composite (=transparency) for a while, and the difference, though only while running heavy apps, was noticable. And Windows has traditionally been slow.

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Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:19:49 PM #18292 Perm Link

In response to free::zombie #18279

Aero isn't that bad with speed.

I'm not to up to speed on the current variants of Linux distros, but Windows handles graphics at a higher system level (I think) and can do things faster...

I think.

-SHCase

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Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:43:28 AM #18300 Perm Link

In response to SHCaseRtoZ #18292

I've seen occasional slow downs invoking the admin secuirty broker, the gadgets sidebar tends to take a bit too long to load on bootup for some reason, but in general use it is very responsive. After using it a while it would seem that the new "Super Fetch" technology actaully works, programs I use frequently open up almost immediatly now. According to MS super fetch actaully also pays attention to when you use programs the most as well and preloads different things at different times of the day, different days etc.

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Found out why Vista doesn't offer OneCare as AV software...

Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:48:14 AM #18301 Perm Link

I was thinking about grabbing a trial of OneCare because I have been having occasional issues with the TrendMicro crapping out, but according to the OneCare website:

"Your computer must be running Windows XP in order to install Windows Live OneCare"

So apparantly TrendMicro is the only one with an antivirus solution at the moment

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Re: Found out why Vista doesn't offer OneCare as AV software...

Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:32:51 PM #18305 Perm Link

In response to Nihilistic Mystic #18301

At Microsoft, we don't care about our operating systems... we just want your money.

-SHCase

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Re[2]: Found out why Vista doesn't offer OneCare as AV software...

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:58:32 PM #18511 Perm Link

In response to SHCaseRtoZ #18305

just installed the latest build yesterday, much better than beat. Still the performance is still laggin. haven't tried 64bit yet, last time I tired 64bit, very buggy and lags.

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Re[3]: Found out why Vista doesn't offer OneCare as AV software...

Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:40:47 AM #18555 Perm Link

In response to SAMSAMHA #18511

I thought Vista was only 64-bit?

-SHCase

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